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Has modern medicine gone wrong? Today I interviewed Dr Heather Guessling of the Wellness Company to discuss medical freedom, informed consent, vaccines and the pharmaceutical industry overreach into private medical care. You're listening to the Last Gay Conservative. I'm your host, chad Law Worship every inch your feet have touched Baby run away with me, you kill lonely.

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Speaker 1: 1:05

Hello America, welcome to another episode of the Last Gay Conservative. It's me, your host, chad Law, america's binary brother, the holiest but most hated homo of all time and the ultimate beacon of truth, broadcasting from the Gay Conservative Studios in Newport Beach, california, sending common sense, conservative politics, through the airwaves on our red, white and blue rainbow. Happy Monday, folks. I think most of y'all are off today. I've got a great show for you today Great interview. Before I get into it, don't forget to call, text, email, tweet 866-LAST-GAI, 866-last-gai, 866-last-gai. Tweet me at Last Gay Cons or send us an email podcastatlastgayconservativecom. Love hearing from you.

Speaker 1: 1:55

I've actually had a very hard time keeping track of everyone's texts and emails, but luckily I have an amazing team, so I will get to you. I promise I'm actually working with the team right now to try to figure out how to get more packed into these shows. There's so much going on and I'm so behind. We have so many interviews and requests for me and it's just it's really starting to get big. So we're trying to figure out if we want to do a much longer show and then allow you guys to just listen at your convenience, or if we should split them up into multiple episodes. If you have any ideas, let me know. But perfect example. I have this interview and all this stuff is going on with the Supreme Court that I'd like to be covering as well, but this one is too good to pass up.

Speaker 1: 2:41

So today I'm joined by Dr Heather Gessling. She is a board certified family medicine doctor and she was the chief of staff at her hospital in Missouri for six years until she was terminated for not pushing or administering the vaccine. She started her own integrated medical clinic in Missouri that has been extremely successful, where she combines all sorts of different therapies. She treated and saved many lives of people severely affected by COVID using hydrochloroquine, ivermectin and a slew of other therapies in her clinic And all those other evil things that we heard about during the pandemic. She is highly regarded as one of the top integrated medical doctors in the country and I am blessed to have her on my show.

Speaker 1: 3:31

This entire episode is commercial, free, brought to you by the wellness company Medical freedom, informed consent, non agenda driven and non bias health care from the best doctors in the country who refuse to be pushed around by big pharma. Keep you and your family healthy and well and experience what medical care should be. Let's head over to the last gay interview studio and chit chat with Dr Heather Gessling. Alright, folks, i'm here back in the interview room with Dr Heather Gessling. She's the COO of the wellness company. She's also a board certified doctor and family medicine and reigns from Columbia, missouri.

Speaker 3: 4:13

Yes, sir, Right in the middle of the country, in the middle of the state. So total middle America.

Speaker 1: 4:21

So I see here that you have three children, are they? you have three girls.

Speaker 3: 4:24

I have a 18 year old son who just graduated high school. He's an amazing person. He he's doing seminary training. He's also the youth pastor at our church And he'll be sticking around, which I'm very thankful for. And then I have a 10 year old a daughter and a seven year old daughter.

Speaker 1: 4:46

And we'll get back to this. but just to you know, cut right through it, are you're too younger? and your older son? Did you do any vaccines on them when they were born as children?

Speaker 3: 4:58

Yeah, yeah, i did. And my youngest one I was really, it was the. It was a time period where I was starting to question things And I remember when my youngest one was born, i thought I know that my daughter has no risk for hepatitis B. Why in the world would I allow them to give her a vaccine, with her being one day old? And I went through that process. I didn't question it with my 18 year old or my 10 year old. I didn't question it, but I definitely started questioning when my youngest was born. She's seven now And I didn't have the guts at the time to ask them to not give her that vaccine. I just I started thinking about, you know, all the other things like what are the nurses going to think about me? What are the physicians, my, my peers, going to think about me? And I feel ashamed. I feel ashamed that I didn't stand up for my little perfect newborn daughter. So she got that vaccine And then and then, really, I just allowed her to get all of the others.

Speaker 3: 5:58

And I remember walking into, walking home, walking into my house one day after working, and my husband was like, well, took Isabelle to get her her kindergarten shots today. She had her four year old child And I remember because I was going through the process of questioning my heart sunk. I just felt nauseated. I had to go in my bedroom and kind of just sit down on the bed and think, oh, i wish I had known. I probably would have told him not to take her, i probably would have said let's wait. But I had forgot that she had that appointment And my husband was a stay at home dad at the time, and so since that time I have not given any of my children any other shots. My son had vaccines up until I think he was 11. And then he was supposed to go back for like the Gardasil and all of that, and I just never took him back.

Speaker 1: 6:49

It's so interesting to me when the child conversation, because and it's one thing that I really want to talk to you about is where does medical freedom start and medical responsibility stop? Right, because there's. you know, i'm in California and it's in these old, rich, hippie communities like Walnut Creek, or, you know, even in San Francisco or Santa Barbara, people have decided to not vaccinate, which is which is they're right 100%. On the flip side of that, we're seeing cases of stuff that we never saw before that are coming back into the community and spreading like wildfire. But the question is is is there a medic? do we have a personal medical responsibility to take the bare minimum that we need to ensure public health, or is there a different option to take?

Speaker 3: 7:40

That. So there is. So there is so many dynamics to that question, and so the what I would say is it's possible to to talk about responsibility for public health, but we have to first demand that the FDA, the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies provide us with proof that the vaccines are safe, because at this time we actually don't have safety data on these vaccines. I know that patients and and citizens may think that that it exists, but it actually does not exist.

Speaker 3: 8:16

Every single vaccine study that has been done on any of the CDC vaccines the vaccines that are recommended on the CDC's childhood schedule, every single one of them, have not been tested against a true saline placebo. What they've been tested against is either other vaccines or a proprietary formula. There may be one study that has been found. That was a study with Gardasil, where they tested against true saline with regard to acute adverse injection site reaction, not a long term study to see if there were any autoimmune conditions, neurologic conditions, allergic conditions such as asthma and eczema, and and so none of the studies have have been done to prove that the vaccines are safe. So we may have efficacy and there may be, you know, a benefit to vaccines if they were completely certifiably safe, but we do not have that at this point in time.

Speaker 1: 9:28

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that medical freedom comes first and then we can make informed decisions once we're provided with the correct information. So it's better to and again, I know you can't probably dispense medical advice here, but it sounds like the safer option at this point, without the proper data, would be to air on the side of caution. I mean, for example, you know, when I came out of the womb, my vaccination schedule I think I got there was only seven required. And now my sister just had a baby two weeks old And I think there's like by the time he's in kindergarten, it's like 23 different shots.

Speaker 3: 10:09

I know it's. It's really. It's really astounding how many that is on the schedule, how many are given at one time, and I remember listening to a it was it was the World Health Organization. I do believe there was a big conference that occurred in 2021 about vaccine safety And one of the one of the physicians a national, international physician got up and said There is a problem. We have not conducted any safety studies to prove that it is okay to give all of these at the same time. When you give individual amounts of the adjuvants and say that there's, you know, safe, and then you don't take into account that there's all of five or six others that are being given at the same time and and and have studies to show that that is safe. It's a huge problem.

Speaker 3: 11:08

We have been sort of blind to what has happened over the last 20 or 30 years, since the 1986 act, where Congress really removed the liability from the pharmaceutical companies And Congress accepted the responsibility of monitoring vaccine safety, and they completely have short that. There was provisions that were put into the 1986 act that required Congress to do periodic review. When I'm not talking about just post marketing safety data, i'm talking about congressional review. This is not happening, and so since that time where Congress allowed for the pharmaceutical companies to no longer have liability for these vaccines adverse effects of the vaccines there has been an extraordinary amount of vaccines that have been added, and the thing about adding a vaccine to the childhood schedule is that it then is allowed to be given to adults and it doesn't require it. Also is liability free.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Wow, yeah, it's interesting the liability with with within the medical field, because you know, on one hand you have a massive amount of fraudulent malpractice cases against doctors, but on the other hand you get basically untested medicine coming out of the CDC recommendations or the FDA, some of the stuff. I look at it and it just has no rhyme or reason. It just seems like they're just vaccinating to vaccinate and the cost must just be so substantial for them. It makes sense to just add more and more and more.

Speaker 3: 12:51

You're so right. You are so right. The thing is that a lot of these vaccines that are given are for treatable diseases. I remember when I was in medical school, it was my microbiology professor. She was from Russia, i do believe. She told the class that her sister had died of diphtheria and everybody's like oh my goodness, like really putting fear into the hearts of the medical students and just stating how crucial vaccines are. Well, they didn't have the medicine we have now. They didn't have the antibiotics and the steroids. at that point in time This was, i think she was around 60 years old, so it was probably around the 1930s or 40s that her sister had died. So it's really not truthful to say that vaccines are required for these diseases at this point.

Speaker 1: 13:53

Yeah, i agree. Like I said my sister, she just had her second baby. the first baby she goes. You can't come over unless you get a whooping cough shot. I said, okay, i guess I'll be her uncle when she's 16. I'm not getting a whooping cough shot, it's like, but there are cases that are coming back up and they blame unvaccinated people.

Speaker 3: 14:11

Yeah, of course you do.

Speaker 1: 14:12

What's also happening is tell me if you agree Again. I'm very passionate about integrated medicine because I was morbidly obese. I've lost almost 100 pounds, I'm diabetic and I have all this stuff going on. The only thing that's ever helped is to really balance care with traditional pharma and alternative medicine as well. But as a country, our immune systems have actually gotten worse. So when you add all of this extra stuff that's supposed to strike the immune system, to be to align with it and not, so you're already pre-herd immunity or whatever they want to call it. To add that, it's just the adverse reactions are just happening faster and faster and faster, to the point where it might have been better to just treat the illness before vaccinating for it.

Speaker 3: 15:11

Well, yeah, and you can treat the illness at the time of the illness as well. But consider, so what you're saying is exactly right and people have had a lack of curiosity and interest about this subject, which is the adjuvants. So the adjuvants, like you said, they're paired with that antigen in order to be able to stimulate the immune system response to that antigen. So those adjuvants are ridiculous and harmful And each of those vaccines has those adjuvants. So why in the world would that be required? So, when you give, why could you not do a vaccine that has? so you're giving multiple vaccines and each of those have adjuvants. Why could you not do vaccines that just have the antigens and be able to give one set of adjuvant to be able to stimulate the immune system potentially like they want? I'm not advocating for this because at this point in time, i'm not saying that I feel like the adjuvants are any way safe, but you're giving three to six times the amount of adjuvant that is potentially needed for all of those vaccines to be given.

Speaker 1: 16:32

Well, it's interesting because, being gay, one of the big hot topics was this whole monkeypox BS, and it proved so interesting to me because there wasn't enough monkeypox vaccines in the world. according to you know, we're going to have another pandemic or whatnot, and so the recommendation from the WHO or the I can't remember what governing board was for the doctor to use half and then another half on a patient. Well, that just tells me that they were overly strong in the first place. If you're able to split them down, then you're just injecting extra to inject, right. I mean, that's what logic would tell me.

Speaker 3: 17:11

Right. Well, you know what has happened over the last three years is a total lack of logic. With all of medicine, it seems like nothing has made sense. I mean, you know the fact that it continuously changes. You know they say science is settled and it keeps changing And they say things that are completely unscientific. You know demanding everybody sort of bow down to this science when there is no solid evidence for it.

Speaker 1: 17:45

Yeah, You know I talk about all the time when I was a kid and even a teenager, we'd go to the doctor. The doctor would come in and he or she would be exalted. They were the expert, They were going to give amazing care and you know, they were the professional. And then, as information became more and more readily available, we got to be our own advocates And for the most part, the doctors that I experienced liked it when I came in and said, hey, I read this article, but what do you think about trying, instead of metformin, this or that? And they'd be like, oh, that's great. And then, you know, when the pandemic hit, it went right back to oh no, you don't ask, you don't question a doctor, you don't ask a doctor, you're not your own advocate. There's, you know, don't bring in your own research. And it's completely gone backward. And it's just so strange to me that personal advocacy is now being frowned upon, when at one time it was totally pushed.

Speaker 3: 18:41

Yeah, this is a big problem. This is what I talk to my patients about, because they really struggle with this issue when they have to, if they have to see a specialist. I really try and keep any specialist care to a minimum with my patients because I feel like they might get over intervention. But when they have to see specialists, you know they come back to me and they're like, well, you know, he's a specialist, he's a cardiologist, and he says I need this And I'm like, okay, well, let's talk about that. You know, like almost worshiping the physician and the specialist role, or worshiping a physician in general And a lot of older patients who are on multiple medications.

Speaker 3: 19:26

it's almost like they worship their medication as their lifeblood, you know as their, as some sort of like necessity for them to keep living. instead of instead of trying to reverse their chronic disease, which it sounds like you're able to do instead of reversing their chronic disease, they rely on these, on these pharmaceuticals. And it really breaks my heart. I've been able to reverse so much chronic disease in my clinic. my patients are happy and healthy and thriving and getting off of pharmaceuticals left and right. I wish, i wish, from the point that I really got into this desire to eliminate pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 3: 20:02

I had had patients start putting their pharmaceutical bottles in a big, a big container so I could really get a picture of how much success I've occurred in my clinic getting these, getting patients deep prescribed and restoring their health and reversing their disease. But man, it is not hard to do with a proper human diet And I really focus on carnivore, animal based, because it's so anti-inflammatory. Patients just start coming off of their diabetic meds. They get off. I don't have any patients on insulin. I don't know when. when was the last time I prescribed insulin? I don't have any patients on that.

Speaker 1: 20:39

And I mean, unless you're massive, there's really no need.

Speaker 3: 20:42

I mean there is no need. Even my type ones, even my type one diabetics have been able to reduce their insulin requirement just by focusing on carnivore based diet, which is meat, eggs and cheese.

Speaker 1: 20:56

That's keto essentially right.

Speaker 3: 20:58

Well, it is keto, but it's even a more sort of extreme version of keto, because a lot of plants are inflammatory and patients don't know this. So plants have some phyto toxins and and anti-natrients and oxalates and carcinogens, because they're trying to protect themselves from being eaten And they don't have ability to fight off animals, and so their defense mechanism is chemicals.

Speaker 1: 21:25

So that's why every vegan that I meet and most vegetarians that I meet are the most unhealthy people I've ever seen, with their gray skin and their teeth falling out.

Speaker 3: 21:35

And they're, and they're overweight a lot of times And I have, I have vegans that have diabetes And they just can't understand it. I'm like this diet is inflammatory, It is not good for you, It's not giving you the nutrition you need And it's a, it's a, it's a toxic. It's a toxic diet.

Speaker 1: 21:54

Well, we talk about supplements and you're talking about supplements. I mean, one of the things that I've learned in my research is that there are a lot of supplements out there. There's a lot of misinformation about supplements versus vitamins, minerals, herbs, but the the thing about the supplementation is if you can get that ingredient through your diet, you don't always need to supplement. You know, i and my sister is a perfect example She's like, yeah, don't take centrum or any of those things. If you want, you know calcium, have milk. If you want this, do you know? everything that you need you should be able to find within your diet. And then some people produce a little bit more or a little bit less. So how does that correspond with then taking a supplement or a daily, a daily based vitamin?

Speaker 3: 22:46

Yeah, i like this question. I I try and keep supplementation. Well, i just had a patient this morning in clinic and I and her and I were talking about she doesn't want a lot of supplements. She's overwhelmed And I'm like this is, this is exactly right. I don't want patients to fill over a month. I want to keep prescription medicines to a minimum minimum, just the same as I want to keep supplements to a minimum. So I try and do as much coverage as possible. My absolute favorite is B pollen. It's my absolute favorite. The testimonials that I have starting patients on that are just so clear. They're just patients feel so good on that.

Speaker 3: 23:26

It's it's sort of like God's multivitamin. It has. It has just about every single nutrient you would need. It's like the whole supplement store in one. It has two to 300 vitamins, minerals, amino acids, proteins, enzymes in it. It's like it fills in all nutritional cracks. This is what my friend, dr Janice Schmidt, says, who introduced me to it, but it's it's what I think is. The is the foundation If you are going to take a supplement, if you're eating healthy, healthy red meat.

Speaker 3: 23:56

You know, i printed off it. I can't remember who. It was on Twitter last week who did a whole thread about the most, the best ways to get the nutrients that you need, that a person needs, and he went through each individual vitamin and mineral And the most common denominator was beef and unpasteurized milk, i do believe, and eggs. So so if you want to, you know, focus on getting all your nutrition through diet. You need to research what it is, what, what is required.

Speaker 3: 24:35

I think a lot of people also require vitamin D. It's hard to get enough from the, from the sun and vitamin. A good vitamin D level is crucial to preventative infection and cancer. I think you need to have it around 60 or 70, at least 55. And then you also must, must, must take that If you take D3 supplementation, you have to take it with K2.

Speaker 3: 24:58

You just absolutely must. A lot of people don't understand that. So when you take D3, you're going to get an increased absorption of calcium through through what you're eating or through any supplements. And when that happens, you don't want that calcium to be depositing into your arteries and plaque that you may already have developed, and so you want that to go into your bone. And K2 is the magical vitamin that pulls calcium out of your bloodstream, prevents it from going into plaque or depositing in arteries and will even pull it out of plaque or arteries and get it into your bone where, where it needs to go. So I say D3, k2 is pretty, is pretty crucial, and also I'm a big fan of magnesium, especially at night.

Speaker 3: 25:40

And then, if you know, if you have exposure to. My other favorite, i have to say, is, of course, our spike support, because it has the ability to counteract spike protein, which everybody is exposed to you right now. If you have the vaccine, you're exposed. If you have long-haul COVID, you're exposed. If you're around those that have had the vaccine, you are likely being exposed, and so it helps break down spike protein. So I'm I like to keep supplements to a minimum, but right now, at this point in time, i think spike support is is a must.

Speaker 1: 26:16

So when you look at the wellness company as a whole. You know, for me I look at, like I said, i look at medical. You know very basic structure of medicine as care which is, you know the one-on-one or the telemedicine, or you know which can be, either you know, reactive or proactive. And then you look at the pharmaceuticals that have to support or cure some of those things. I mean, i don't care what anyone says. If you have bronchitis you need some form of antibiotic you know, you're you.

Speaker 1: 26:49

just you want to lower the usage, But in my opinion, there is traditional pharmaceuticals that are there to do a job and they do a really good job.

Speaker 3: 26:59

Yeah, i totally agree. I think there is use for pharmaceuticals And in fact some of those are, you know, the ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine meds that work so well for for many viral illnesses.

Speaker 1: 27:10

Yeah, third part of that which I think a lot of people miss is the exposure to alternative treatments. that I think it's so funny They call them alternative They're. you know, a lot of these things are mainstream in other countries and whatever they hear they're alternative because they don't get made by Pfizer. But you know. so you take the care, the basic pharmaceutical, and then you come into alternative with that could be supplements, acupuncture, etc. How do you, or how does the wellness company, complete that circle?

Speaker 3: 27:39

Yeah, I think it. so what we, what we provide, is care that is nonbiased and unpoliticized. Our physicians are trained. Many of our physicians that are part of our company that are providing care, really prove themselves through the Delta pandemic, where they knew what pharmaceuticals worked and they prescribed them and they helped save lives. And so they're aware of the fact that a lot of medicines have been censored and persecuted because they work so well and because they they don't help support the agenda. you know that, that there was no treatment and that vaccines were required, So they treated patients accordingly. They treated patients properly.

Speaker 3: 28:31

These are the physicians that we have on our team, on our side, and they've been trained in, you know, treating long-haul COVID. They've also been doing really phenomenal jobs of deep prescribing patients. Man, patients are so happy. we're getting testimonials back of how happy patients are to be able to work through the process of getting off of their meds, And they do this by by diet and lifestyle changes. They get coached by our wellness coaches on how to improve their health and be able to get off medicines And then our and then our physicians are helping them through that process of deep prescribing. So a total and true success, with our physicians being able to help patients with restoration of health.

Speaker 1: 29:18

And I'm a. I'm a big proponent I don't know how much you know about me, but I'm I'm a big proponent of varying mental health support. How is it like if someone has clinical depression or someone has schizophrenia or borderline personality or bipolar one or two, and they are on lithium or they're on anti-psychotic medication, does that have to stay or is that something that you guys can deep prescribe as well?

Speaker 3: 29:47

Well, so it gets trickier for psychiatric meds, but we do have patients that have been able to reverse their mental health conditions and get off of their psychiatric meds. Schizophrenia is different. We would have to have a lot of support for that. It's interesting because, if you, there are tables out there that I don't know how old they are and I don't know if I just know about them now because of focusing on nutrition. But there's tables out there that help define the different mental conditions, such as schizophrenia or bipolar, or depression or anxiety and their associated nutrient deficiencies. So whenever you get patients on really good nutritional support time and time and time again, their mental condition normalizes They have.

Speaker 3: 30:38

And in this whole thing about diagnosing, like diagnosis of depression or diagnosis of anxiety, i think is a flawed concept. Patients need to because the brain, if it has the nutrients that it needs, if it's not getting fed toxins and it's getting fed the nutrients that it needs, i don't think it's dysfunctional. I think it has to do with the lack of nutrients and the toxins that are being fed to it that create the problem.

Speaker 1: 31:05

I mean, it's been such an increase. When you look at the numbers of some of these more mental related health diagnoses, if you will, and it's just every year. It gets more and more. I mean especially young, middle-aged white women. A huge percentage of our population is basically hooked on antidepressants SSRIs or SNRIs. It's always interesting to see what really is an imbalance and what is a self-made imbalance, if you know what I mean. If you're eating really bad and you're not taking care of yourself, it's all a chain reaction from your brain all the way down to your feet. I think that we've done such a bad job of identifying each one of those links in the chain because we're just trying to find a one size fits all medication for everyone, and it just can't work that way.

Speaker 3: 32:09

It just can't. The problem is that whenever you're faced with that as a physician, it requires more time. These physicians don't have time and I think that's by design. These physicians have been sort of forced out of independent practices and into corporate medicine where they're owned by a corporation or they're owned by a hospital. they're controlled by the insurance payout and they have to see a lot of patients every day to stay in the black. The pressure is on and they don't have time to get to the bottom of things, to be able to heal the patient or find out what is that patient doing that's contributing to their anxiety, depression and what are the environmental factors, what are the situational factors, what are their relationship factors? what's the nutrition factor that's creating or the toxicity factor that's creating this? they just can't do it. Having a good position that's sort of able to get to the bottom of things, i highly recommend DPC practices, direct Primary Care. There is a mapper online called it's at DPCfrontiercom, dpc meaning Direct Primary Care or Direct Patient Care Those physicians most of the time they're membership based and you get more time with the physician. They're not pressured into seeing 35 or 40 patients a day, which is the world I used to live in before I was terminated for not doing the vaccine.

Speaker 3: 33:38

Whenever you find a physician that can help you with those things and keep you off of the medicines you're so much better off. I tell my patients they're coming in if they have anxiety or depression. we walk through all the things we can do. I tell them, starting the medication may or will likely make you feel better temporarily, but without fail. This medication not only will make you feel better at the beginning, but it creates and prolongs the disease. You are required to then go up and up and up on this medication for you to continue to feel as good. It's got this mixed bag. Patients think, oh, it really works, because then they'll feel a little bit better. You'll get this like this boost. then it only prolongs the condition and worsens it.

Speaker 1: 34:29

Yeah, i agree. I think there's just certain things that are just hot, hot hot items. I don't know what it is, but it becomes ingrained in people's heads To your point. individual medicine is gone. It's completely gone. The medication, the pharmaceuticals, the government interference with medical services and then the actual providers it all works together. It seems to me at this point it's completely driven by pharmaceutical companies and no one else.

Speaker 3: 35:08

For sure. I feel like the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance companies are the foundation of the problem. If we could get both of those out of medicine, patients' health would improve dramatically.

Speaker 1: 35:19

One thing that I want to just talk to you a little bit about is these pharmaceutical trends. There's three huge pushes right now that I'd love your opinion on Gender-affirming care and puberty blockers, ozempic weight loss drug and also Narcan for stopping overdosing. They literally hand them out like candy here. Everyone that goes to the pharmacy you want Narcan Narcan. It reminds me of the COVID vaccine. Everyone's like get vaccinated, get vaccinated. Carry Narcan Narcan. Can you speak to why these are so big right now and what the problem is that comes with these different drugs?

Speaker 3: 35:58

Yeah, let's go through each of those because I can certainly speak to each of those. The gender-affirming care and the puberty blockers is an atrocity. It's terrible These kids do not have the ability to make that decision or it can cause permanent harm. This is not something that you can say definitively in a child. Needs to happen. A child is not able to say that they want to be the opposite sex. I think it's evil and it creates a lot of mental health issues in that child.

Speaker 3: 36:40

I know that there are some out there some that are in our government that have said the opposite, that the condition itself creates the problem. What the child needs is love and reassurance and really just support for that child's current biological sex. That's my opinion. There are studies that have been done. Dr McCullough and I were on a call the other day He was telling us about really what is mentally beneficial for a patient, for a child, is to have gender-affirming care of their current biological sex from when they're young. What has been interesting is what we've gotten away from. Parents are like they don't want to give their child a gender or identity even though they're an obvious female or male.

Speaker 3: 37:37

Even doctors or some institutions are not even putting it on birth certificates. This is getting so ridiculous that it creates such confusion in the mind of the child. Then they're influenced by medical professionals or those that may have an agenda to go through with this puberty blocking. I think it's an atrocity. I have been a big fan of ozympic or semi-glutide, if used properly. I think it has not been used properly. I think that what's happened is patients are getting this medication and they don't know the correct way to use it. If they don't know the correct way to use it, it causes harm. When patients do semi-glutide what I do and the reason why I like it is because I compare it to disulfiram. Disulfiram is an old medication that physicians use and they use it in alcoholics. If an alcoholic drinks alcohol with taking disulfiram, they will get sick and they vomit.

Speaker 1: 38:42

Is that the anibus?

Speaker 3: 38:46

Yeah, what semi-glutide does ozympic is that it helps in patients that are using it properly. It helps them break the cycle of eating or dysfunctional eating. When you start taking ozympic semi-glutide, if you push past that feeling of fullness, you vomit, you get very sick and you learn to control your eating. This is how I like to use it. One of the other things that semi-glutide does is that it slows the movement of food through your stomach. You feel full for a long time and you lose that obsessiveness with eating or food or snacking overeating. You feel satisfied. One of the benefits of food moving through your gut slower is that you increase your absorption of nutrients. Patients feel more satisfied and they feel so good on semi-glutide. I think one of the reasons is because they're really absorbing a lot more nutrients and food is not moving through so fast. They feel like they have more energy. They just love it so much. What I do is I stay low and I go very slow on the dose. I do not move up very fast and I make sure that they eat tens and tens and tens of protein and fat, because you will get loss of lean muscle mass or bone density mass on semi-glutide, most likely because patients are not eating enough, so then they're not getting enough protein. If you're using semi-glutide, you've got to have lots and lots of protein on board. Of course, i always try and encourage patients to do every other thing before we might use semi-glutide. That would be a healthy, reasonable, carnivore-based diet or low-carb, no sugar diet.

Speaker 3: 40:45

A lot of times it's females. Men seem to have great success with carnivore diet and intermittent fasting. Females seem to just have that fat locked in. This is one of the reasons why I have used it. I know that there's a lot of physicians out there that are really raging against it and don't like it, but I've been using GLP-1s in my practice. I've been using them since I was in residency in 2007. Biata is the first GLP-1 that came out back then. I think it came out in 2006. These medications have been around a long time. This medicine is not new. I do not see harm with it when used properly.

Speaker 1: 41:31

Yeah, i understand that. As far as the popularity of it and the consumerization of it, do you think that's coming from pharma or do you think that's just because people are having great results? I tried this.

Speaker 3: 41:45

I think it's because people have great results. I really do. I think it's because people are having great results. I'm in a group of physicians online and a lot of these physicians are talking about how amazing they feel, how great they look, how much weight they've lost 35, 40 pounds and they're so thankful. It's really crucial that it cannot just be stopped suddenly. You have to taper off slowly and you have to continue to eat a really good zero carbs, zero sugar. That's what I recommend at diet in order to keep weight off, we just don't need sugar. Sugar is such a component of so many people's diet carbs and sugar. When you eliminate that, that in and of itself can really help maintain that weight.

Speaker 3: 42:36

Yeah, so much of it is diet Because people can have a rebound weight gain if you go off of it.

Speaker 1: 42:41

I think that's everything For me. I've gone down, but in the times there's been intermittent times where I've gone back up. Sustained weight loss or sustained fat loss is something that is, i think, still there's various directions and there is no perfect path there. It just depends on the person, the lifestyle, the diet, exercise and everything above. Tell me why do you think the government is handing out Narcan like crazy?

Speaker 3: 43:10

Yeah, i don't, really. I don't understand. I think that it can be beneficial and, of course, life saving, but in my mind, it's their remedy to the opioid crisis that they created.

Speaker 1: 43:25

Right, yeah, it's just whenever there's a big push.

Speaker 3: 43:28

They really did create that opioid crisis. I remember it was starting when I was in residency and I remember thinking and then, when I was graduated from residency and I was starting my own clinic, we were being told we have to ask what their level of pain is. I pushed back. I'm like why are we asking that? if they're not coming in for pain, why are we trying? to create a problem? Well, that was the government that was trying to create this opioid epidemic.

Speaker 3: 43:59

They did a good job at it too. So now I don't know. I don't know if the answer, if my answer is correct, that this is their answer, but It sure does seem like.

Speaker 1: 44:11

I think you're right.

Speaker 1: 44:12

Yeah, I think you're right, because, again you go back to that circle. It's like, well, if they get everyone hooked on drugs, they're all on. You know they're creating a market. And then now they're creating a market to get people off of drugs. And you know, that's my right, that's my.

Speaker 1: 44:29

You know, as far as the gender affirming care in these puberty blockers, i mean, and and it's interesting speaking with you because it sounds like you have your really a really unique, wonderful approach to your patients and care and and you probably do correct me if I'm wrong a lot of things off label, based on Your knowledge, and those puberty blockers are completely off label. They've never been approved by the FDA to do any of that. And so you know, talking to you, talking to my sister, you know it's like sure, and I'm going that's, that's not, it's not right. And then my sister's going, yeah, 50, 60% of the medications we write are off label. And I and I'm saying to myself, right, but what is the impact versus the med? right?

Speaker 1: 45:12

So just because you're writing it off label, you know it's not like You know, prescribing the synapril to someone to protect their kidneys. You know, this is something that's going to keep someone from going through a crucial Development. Where do we draw the line of what has to be tested before it can go off label? What are the warning signs? because All the misinformation out there makes it sound like tick tock, tick tock's. Just give this to your kids, it's okay, then they can be whatever gender they want it.

Speaker 3: 45:41

Well it's. it's really atrocious to Boil it down to such a simplicity that kids can just change their gender by taking these pharmaceuticals. That is just ridiculous. And so or change their, you know, i don't know what you call it is. They're all changing biological sense. And is there what construct? is gender actually bit? so they're not gonna be able to do that.

Speaker 3: 46:07

And this, this discussion about off label. Well, so When physicians do their job and they do it correctly, and they work from the bottom up instead of the top down, and Physicians start talking to each other and they're like you know, we, we realize that this medication helps this condition, even though there's no Studies, research studies that have been done and it's not FDA approved for that. That's the way medicine should work, where we're able to use things that we have available, that are already cheap or already accessible, to be able to treat a condition and Be able to figure that out, because that's that's the way medicine should work. You know, discussion among other physicians, and learning and And and being Creative with what we have available. Using them, using these hormones off label to destroy kids lives is, as a completely other, other way of using something off label.

Speaker 3: 47:07

I think it's very bad. It's creating a life-long Patient for the medical system. These patients are not gonna be able to live normal lives without pharmaceuticals. Will they ever be able to live a normal life once they've started these pharmaceuticals? I don't know. But there's time and time again, stories that are told of kids living normal lives that did want to transition and then they realize Thankfully they didn't do the the pharmaceuticals and they didn't transition and now they're happy in their own biological sex. I hear those stories all the time.

Speaker 1: 47:44

Do we hear you do I do. We don't hear it on the, on the media. I mean there's tens of thousands of detransitioners out there, google groups, on reddit, and We don't hear about them and they get shut down all the time. It's always interesting to think. I always go like what could be the benefit of This? and I believe you're right. You're creating a lifelong Care. It's degenerative health, so they'll probably be more likely to have all kinds of ailments getting older. All right, real quick. I do want to touch a little bit on COVID here and I know my first question is Did you I know you got let go for not being, you know, prescribing them vaccine and not buying into the hype? Did you sort of become a pariah in your community?

Speaker 3: 48:34

Um, i was just talking. I can't remember the calm. I think it was a conversation with a patient this morning Where I know full well that the reputation that I had in my community is completely demolished. I had a really, in my opinion, stellar reputation. I I was elected three times back-to-back as chief of staff of my hospital and and Took really good care of my hospital and my community and my patients. And so when this, when this happened, where I Could see the truth about early outpatient treatment for coven and I could see the truth about the vaccines, i never in a million years thought I would be so completely disregarded and seen, as you know, as As some sort of bad guy. I never in a million years thought it would turn into this.

Speaker 1: 49:26

I thought I would continue to be respected and continue to be listened to so I mean obviously that that makes things a little bit more Difficult on your behalf. When you made that transition out to more of a direct primary caregiver, did you have a set treatment step that you took for For people who had caught it, like Iver, mectin or hydrochloroquine or or any of that, i guess?

Speaker 3: 49:55

oh yeah, i took care of the sickest of the sick and kept just about every single patient alive. I used hydroxychloroquine, iver, mectin, high-gold steroids I be, vitamin C, hyperbaric oxygen, vitamin D, zinc. I mean I did every single thing I could And and I, and I truly believed, saved so many lives. I mean prevented them from going to the hospital. So and and This, this effect on the community or the or my peers, really did not translate to patients. Patients continue to. I mean I, i was full, i was full in my clinic so fast. Patients knew the truth, patients knew where to get the truth and knew where to get the medicine They needed well, that's.

Speaker 1: 50:44

That's good to know. I don't think it was the same here because you know everyone's so liberal. It's a little different. But when you created this And of the steps and the different things that you would do individually for your patients, were you ever able to share on social media about the results or post anything and and get any positive feedback? Or was everyone still thinking you were like Dr Kovorkian?

Speaker 3: 51:10

No, i I have had pretty much complete support From all of my followers and patients. They They just cheer me on and they crave that truth and And it may have to do with where I live, being in the middle of the country, but you know, the corporation I work for, was is Is not a local corporation and so they were controlled from the top down. But the but the patients and my friends and my followers are more local and and and have supported me.

Speaker 1: 51:49

That's awesome. What do you say? this is a. I get in trouble in the conservative community a lot because I don't fault anyone for getting vaccinated. I believe if you have a job to do and you need to feed your family and your company is telling you you can't feed your family Anymore, you will not make money unless you do this. That's a hard decision to make and I don't I don't, i don't disregard any of those people. Now the question then becomes What do you do once you've had it and does the? I know the, the spike supplement that you all have, is one thing, but is it different for someone who gets a non-MRNA, like a J&J vaccine, versus someone who gets the Pfizer-Moderna mRNA vaccine? Do you think that it's one is healthier than the other? What are your thoughts on people who had to have it and now they're having adverse effects?

Speaker 3: 52:50

Yeah, i think it's either way. you're going to have either kind of vaccine. you're going to have continued spike protein production. The continued spike protein production is so problematic and most likely the cause of the problems that they're seeing, because spike is inflammatory, creates neurologic issues, creates thrombotic issues and continued production can happen multiple ways. So you can have the genetic sequence, which is mRNA. It can go through reverse transcriptase and go into a DNA form And there's a study that came out early 2022 that showed that this did happen in hepatocytes, liver cells.

Speaker 3: 53:37

Then there's also some evidence lately of DNA plasmid contamination of the vaccines, and so these DNA plasmids can sort of insert themselves and be perpetual producers of spike. And so if a patient has and this can happen in your gut bacteria and actually this is a really scary prospect because if this happens in your gut bacteria, then it becomes potentially an infectious disease that can be transmitted from patient or person to person because it's within the E coli in your gut. So it is very scary And it is a huge problem for most people. now the spike protein, whether or not you're exposed or whether or not you're producing it yourself. So I think that dealing with the spike protein is where it's at. What we have seen is really great success with the spike supplement because it has natokinase in it And the natokinase is really this phenomenal enzyme. where we have it can perform multiple functions, which is why I think it's helping so much. But we already knew that there was a problem with clots.

Speaker 3: 54:48

And those that have had long-haul COVID or vaccine injury. And so the natokinase can break down fibrin and it can also prevent fibrin clots And so it can help with the whole clot situation. But then there's a couple cities that have come out since December of last year that are showing that natokinase itself, this proteolytic enzyme, this protein, can actually break down, can actually break down spike protein, and this is not a surprising thing, but we're really glad to know that this is the case. And then there are studies from years ago that show that it can help with fibrosis of the lungs and also amyloid breaking down amyloid. And so the clots that we've seen and those that are vaccinated, what we think is they start with these little fibrin chains but then the spike protein itself turns into this protinaceous amyloid type clot And the natokinase can help break down all of that. And then, which is really great So there's multiple mechanisms of this natokinase that's in the spike support.

Speaker 3: 55:54

But then there's also dandelion root And we've seen really strong evidence that dandelion root can help block spike from attaching to the ACE receptor. And we have ACE receptors in our respiratory epithelium and in our ovaries testes, i do believe. And so, talking about all the problems with the vaccine or exposure to spike. We're seeing problems with menstrual irregularities, infertility, and we know that the ACE receptors are in those organs that affect fertility, and so blocking spike from affecting those organs could be performed by the dandelion root. So what we see is what actually? what we don't know is how long this can go on, if it's permanent, you know, if it's indefinite and can sort of the body can kind of heal itself. But these supplements are crucial in the backbone of helping that, but then also other things such as intermittent fasting, eating a ketogenic type diet, getting sun, doing grounding, making sure you get plenty of sleep and help your body heal itself is also important. Good nutritional support as well.

Speaker 1: 57:13

Going back to the wellness company, just walk me through a little bit how. If I was a patient and I signed up for a membership and you saw me what are the first steps? What happens as things go forward and that health and wellness plan is developed? Is it fully unique? Are people watching videos instead of seeing the actual doctors? Is it just a form fill? What can people expect to experience?

Speaker 3: 57:42

So what we have is there's two different memberships. There's just your basic $10 a month membership that gets you reduced prices on the supplements, the nutraceuticals and the telehealth visits, but then we also have a comprehensive monthly membership which I just am in love with. It's called One Wellness And it basically provides you with unlimited supplements per month and unlimited provider visits per month, and we're also going to soon bring in unlimited prescription coverage under that umbrella for those that may need prescriptions. But this One Wellness is basically like a DPC type practice and they can meet with health coaches to help them with reversal of their chronic disease. So patients can see one wellness coaches that help them through diet and lifestyle changes that can help them reverse their diseases, and then they can also see a physician for an illness acute care needs. They can see a physician for deep prescribing or if they need refills, and so the different levels of membership are the $10, or then this comprehensive One Wellness package, which is $199, and that's unlimited nutraceuticals and provider visits. Then we also have several other really cool things that I'm a big fan of, such as allergy free.

Speaker 3: 59:25

Allergy free is this ability to do immunotherapy sublingual immunotherapy drops without having to do the expensive or painful skin prick testing. It's a comprehensive blend of allergens and they can start doing drops to do. They start with one drop a day and they titrate up to five. They can start doing this and they're going to because it's a daily immunotherapy. They're going to start seeing benefits and allergies really fast. I started this with my husband and he's had really quick improvement and pretty significant allergies that he has. He wakes up congested in the morning, he sneezes when he mows the lawn. All of that has improved and essentially resolved itself within just about five or six weeks of starting these drops. It's difficult for California residents but we also have vaccine exemptions and we've been able to help patients with that as well.

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

Yeah, well, the Supreme Court, I'm sure you saw, just expanded the vaccine exemption and the religious exemption piece of that. Because so many people were denied, i think a lot of the mandates are going away. I think the religious exemptions are going to be more. They've been completely protected by the Supreme Court. Now I know it's not necessarily like I just say this. I mean, you're human, you've got to sit back and see. I mean, the CDC just released the hospitalization rates for this last round of the newer vaccine are like through the roof. They now have to admit that.

Speaker 1: 1:00:59

The heart issue I can't remember the name of it, but myocarditis they have to admit that. I mean, do you sit down at night, crack a pour of glass of wine and just laugh at the TV and go? I told you fuckers. I know it's not bad because you don't want to be like right about more people dying, but on the other side of that they make you a pariah. You lose your job, you lose your reputation. Trust me, this time next year they're going to be knocking at your door.

Speaker 3: 1:01:31

Yeah, i know That's. the crazy part is, even though this is what is so insane is, even when they admit they're wrong, they still attack you for what you've said. It's crazy. It's like what world are we in? They're not congratulating us for being the heroes that we were, for speaking out so early on the truth and recognizing it and doing the hard work and digging deep and finding the truth and pushing back against their lies. It's not that they're recognizing the truth, it's that they're reluctantly trickling out little pieces of truth because they just, for some reason or other, they're being forced to or they have to.

Speaker 1: 1:02:16

They knew the truth. No, they have to because the number of COVID vaccine-injured people is going. People are questioning their doctors, their hospitals. They're going around and saying, hey, you told me to get this especially. I see a huge number. Like I said, this is just my own passion. I like to research the data and stuff. A huge number of the COVID vaccine-injured people have autoimmune diseases like MS. Oh yeah, it is crazy. They didn't study on any of those before they launched the vaccine and they were all pushed.

Speaker 3: 1:02:50

I got a screenshot of the presentation I think it was at the CDC of the vaccine. I got a screenshot It goes super fast but it's a list of all the potential complications of the COVID vaccine and they knew full well that it was going to contribute to autoimmune disease. They knew it was going to happen because this spike protein, when it sits on the surface of your cells after your cells have been hijacked to produce it, your body doesn't like the spike protein. It wants to attack it. The surface of the cell gets attacked and it creates this autoimmune disease because of that spike protein. They knew that was going to happen. They knew it was going to create inflammation. They knew it was going to create myocarditis and seizures and transverse myelitis. They knew.

Speaker 1: 1:03:36

Yeah, they didn't know. The other interesting piece of this. I want to go back to the beginning, where you talk about how the liability has been removed from pharma and now should be being reviewed regularly from Congress. I already know why they don't do it. It's because I don't know what chamber the regulation would be under. I'd have to see the bill. But I guarantee you half the people that sit on that committee are in Pfizer's pocket. They've got lobbyists there that politicians can do and they're donating to their campaign. That's why it doesn't make sense for them personally to review it. I tell you, nancy Pelosi made so much money off of pharma during COVID It wasn't even funny. I think $30 million.

Speaker 3: 1:04:27

That is true. Oh my gosh, that's so tragic. It is terrible.

Speaker 1: 1:04:32

Yeah, i know the private medical care system is the best system. It's not perfect, but it's the best system in the world.

Speaker 3: 1:04:42

We're really fortunate in the US to be able to have that. TWC has expanded to Canada and we have brought in physicians that have been absolutely destroyed for speaking truth in Canada. The Canadian system really prohibits physicians from having private practice that doesn't utilize the government insurance. Thankfully, in the United States we still have that.

Speaker 1: 1:05:12

Yeah, we do. The reason why the private sector only works as the private sector. What happens is that when the government gets involved, it fails, but they want it to fail. Only other available option will be socialized medicine. When they muck in the middle, it's just creating this confusion of is it privatized, is it not privatized? They add as many people as they can to Medicaid. All this stuff over and over and over again. It's completely degrading our private medical system, which incentivizes innovation, incentivizes education, incentivizes doctors to do well, incentivizes patients to be their own advocates. They want to rid all of that because you can't control it like they do in Canada. It's even worse in Europe.

Speaker 3: 1:06:06

Yeah, they don't want patients. Well, that's for sure, because well-patients independent thinkers. Well-patients become independent thinkers and they don't accept control, the same as sick patients who are dependent on the government or on government insurance. It's easy to see why they wouldn't want healthy, well-happy, independent, thriving citizens.

Speaker 1: 1:06:37

But you want that right, dr Gessling.

Speaker 3: 1:06:39

Absolutely. I want that. I'm creating that in my clinic every day. The wellness company is bringing that about. That's what we're all about. That's our mission to empower patients with their health to be able to regain their freedom and independence from pharmaceutical products, and even independence from insurance and independence from the mainstream healthcare system. To develop this parallel system is our goal.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

I know I always cracked up during the COVID vaccine. All your board certified. But the doctors that they would bring on the shows like to be their expert COVID doctors. They're like dermatologists from Arkansas. These people have no idea. None of them were immunocologists or pharmacologists or anything. They're just random MDs all over the country and it's just so embarrassing.

Speaker 3: 1:07:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's astounding, But do you think I'm going to ask you a question? do you think that patients are going to be wise to what has happened if they try and do it to us again? Do you think this is strengthened and woke up the community enough that they're not going to get away with it?

Speaker 1: 1:08:06

I think it's 100% split 50-50. I think 50, i think whatever it was. 60-80% of the population got sold into the whole COVID vaccine thing And now that it's pretty much over, a lot of them have come over to our side and said, okay, this didn't need to happen, this was ridiculous. And then a lot of them are just diehard to whatever the Democratic Party tells them, and it's disgusting, but I don't think it did everlasting damage, because as Americans, we're resilient people. We should be a country of questioning and pushing back and innovating and seeing if there's a.

Speaker 1: 1:08:43

Just because the WHO says oh herd, immunity doesn't work, you know, and so we've become a nation of well, they're going to do it anyways, so we might as well do it Instead of a nation of okay, let's find the absolute right fix. And what I love, as my sister says all the time, is you can believe in the vaccine, you cannot believe in the vaccine. You can believe in this, you can't believe in this. The fundamental problem with the way COVID was handled is that the American people were denied a second opinion. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:12

And she deals with these kids that are on death's door coming out of their mom, and she's one specialist out of I think there's like seven or eight in the entire country And so she's often the second or third opinion And she says the worst thing that can happen. The worst thing that can happen is the original opinion was right. The best thing that could happen is I have some extra technology or something that hasn't been released yet, or I know a shape or whatever that can save this child's life. We all have a right to a second opinion And they took that away from us and made us a bunch of drones. But I think again, it'll still be a 50-50 split.

Speaker 3: 1:09:51

Which is astounding given the amount of evidence that the government absolutely lied to us.

Speaker 1: 1:09:56

Yeah, but we don't see it. We don't see it. You know these people get up. I say this all the time. Everyone's always a victim of the last thing they read, read, watched or heard. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:10:11

And so people in the morning they turn on Morning Joe or whatever and they just talk about how great it is, the vaccinated. And you know a lot of my colleagues I didn't come out and say one thing or the other at first because I was more concerned about liability and not, you know, getting shut down. But Ben Shapiro, for example, i love Ben And he got vaccinated because he was concerned about spending time around his parents because they were older, yeah, and he, yeah, completely lied to, yeah, and he talked about it on the show and kind of endorsed the vaccine And it was like you know. So there were even people on the conservative side that still endorsed it And I just And the thing is is my decision had nothing to do with politics.

Speaker 1: 1:10:54

My decision said look, i've had an array of health issues my whole life. I'm finally back on track. I don't want to do anything to mess up the kind of balance in the direction that I'm going. One little change in pill or, you know, supplement or whatever could have an impact at that time. I'm way better now, but so it was a personal health decision for me. However, i would say 90% of the people that decided to do it were either forced or scared into it.

Speaker 3: 1:11:22

I think so. It's really interesting whenever patients you know patients or people that I meet or whatever if I find out they've had the vaccine, they're like I didn't want to do it, I just had to do it for this, this or this, And it's like they just immediately sort of have to feel like they're needing to apologize, you know, like excuse the decision and justify it. It's really unfortunate because they're right. I mean, they wouldn't have done it had it had, And some of the reasons are, you know, more significant than others. You know, just saying you want to go on a cruise is different than losing your job and not being able to take care of your family. But some of these things are true. They're just, they were coerced.

Speaker 1: 1:12:07

Yeah, it was a huge. It was a huge coercion scam. It was a giant moneymaker for all the politicians. And the mRNA vaccine The man who created mRNA has come out and said this is not the way it's supposed to be used. This is bad news. I'm telling you guys. I mean when you have that, but the information is. You know the media is controlled by the left and the information is is completely wrong. And I just you know it's still so early. You know time always proves things to happen, but you know I don't see anyone unvaccinating, dropping dead from heart issues.

Speaker 3: 1:12:45

No, it's not, it's not happening. Yeah, thank goodness, thank goodness.

Speaker 1: 1:12:51

Yeah, but I mean, i think to your point. People are scared, it's it's, it's a, it's a mob mentality And, just like you said, you're a doctor and you feel pressured to vaccinate your youngest daughter because it's like, how are they going to? you know, what are they going to think, what are they going to do? I'm not sure. I'm just now thinking, you know, it's like the same thing with these people, it's just peer pressure. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:13:12

And you know, most people are followers and that's just kind of what happened. They didn't want to be a pariah or not let in somewhere or wear a mask or you know whatever it was. They just wanted to go with the group of people.

Speaker 3: 1:13:25

So most people are followers and I think that there has actually been toxicities in our diet and in our, in our like hygiene products and in vaccines that have created more sort of weaker thinkers.

Speaker 1: 1:13:38

Yeah, Well, our collective IQ is going down. Yeah, the collective IQ of the country is going down for the first time. And interesting that you say that about consumables. I mean, like I said, i was in the business for a long time Deodorant, for example, yeah, is the number one cause of tumor growth for breast cancer. On the end, it's always the left breast because they apply more with their right hand. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 1:14:03

It's filled with parabens and aluminum and you know a lot of shampoos have a derivative of agent orange in them And it's a. it's a good to open up the cuticle to allow the conditioner to go in. I mean, i could go on and on.

Speaker 3: 1:14:16

And fluoride Fluoride is really bad And I mean in the sort of combination of aluminum fluoride is even worse. So I would I suggest to my patients. You know I talked to them about getting rid of their aluminum antiperspirant And when I talked to them about it first they're just like sort of mortified No way, i can't do that. I'm like no, you really can. You know, when you get through that detoxification process and not doing the aluminum, you don't have the need for deodorant like you did before. It's a really interesting thing that happens. You don't smell the same, you don't sweat with food.

Speaker 1: 1:14:54

Well, just like you said it, it's creating a need that didn't exist before.

Speaker 3: 1:15:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:15:02

The biggest thing that I'm worried about is I was talking to my buddy, ken Wood, who's a very, very famous attorney in Texas, and he said that he went. He was in the arguing a case in the Supreme Court and the opposition turned in a brief that was done by AI And it was citing precedent legal cases that didn't even exist. Oh yeah, and that is so, But that's the law. You take that into medicine, you know, and you have this thing starting to recommend prescriptions and recommend you know stuff to people And you know maybe they're quoting you, you know, and quoting me as you just don't know. And this is what's really scaring me.

Speaker 3: 1:15:49

That the AI thing is. that is terrifying. It's not even real information, geez.

Speaker 1: 1:15:57

No, it's not. It's not real And it's and it's going to get really bad for the medical community because because it's going to empower people with all sorts of stuff. that is just not true.

Speaker 3: 1:16:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:12

And they're going to take leading experts and rework their words and create. you know it creates that, that problem as well. So it's you know there's a lot going on right now And I just hope that in the next few years we're going to see something completely different. Yeah Well. Pharma needs to be held liable. You know we need better understanding. I had no idea that no testing existed on on the child vaccine recommendations. That's insane to me, Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:16:41

So the get the book turtles all the way down. That's where you can. It breaks down each individual vaccine and the research that it's based off of, and the concept is that they they test against other vaccines. I so, ergo, the title turtles all the way down, um, but it's really interesting that they break down the epidemiology, the actual lack of safety, the actual sort of historical data of the diseases. It's a good book, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:17:14

You know, i think the problem that happened with all of that is that we were comfortable from any all through the eighties, you know 90, early nineties. We were comfortable with the seven, eight, 10, you know whatever. And then it just blew up. And then you had all these people that came out as anti-vaxxers but tied it to autism. So then they looked. You know, whether it's true or not, they were totally painted to be these psychopaths And since then you can't even like have the conversation about spreading them out or not doing this one or that one without getting attitude from the pediatrician.

Speaker 3: 1:17:48

Oh, i know, Total. So it's a total paternalistic attitude, um, by most physicians and even really, um, uh, detrimental to the patient or their family. My, um, my sister, has chosen not to vaccinate her beautiful, amazing son. He's a year and a half And, um, he needed to be seen acutely for like conjunctivitis or something I can't remember what it was And she took him into urgent care and they brought her and her husband back in the in the baby her son, back to her room, yeah, to tell them that they would not see the child because he wasn't vaccinated.

Speaker 1: 1:18:34

Oh, my God.

Speaker 3: 1:18:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:18:36

Well, this is why you know the company's like the wellness company and you know where they're. just non-insurance prescription, you know a subscription based access to doctors And ultimately, that's going to be the only direction.

Speaker 3: 1:18:50

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it needs to be free of an agenda, so that care was based. That decision to not see my nephew was based off of an agenda, so it's unfortunate.

Speaker 1: 1:19:01

Right, nothing to do with his health. Did he have a fever, did he have this? That didn't matter, it was just he didn't have that. So it's a. It's a theory, an ideal, and not any science.

Speaker 3: 1:19:13

Correct Yeah, yeah, and, and that's what has infiltrated medicine, and and it's I'm sure you've heard the phrase You get the best politics. In medicine, you get politics.

Speaker 1: 1:19:24

Yep. All right, dr Gessling, i enjoyed this conversation so much. You are a wealth of knowledge. I'm going to have you on many more times. I hope you enjoyed being in the last gay interview studio.

Speaker 3: 1:19:39

I have. I have particularly enjoyed it. Actually, It's been really a great conversation. You're really engaging and ask perfect questions.

Speaker 1: 1:19:49

Oh, thanks, dr McCullis coming on next week, and then we are going to launch a whole wellness company, laske conservative partnership, after that. So you kicked it off and I know my audience is just going to be obsessed with you. So we're really, really looking forward to working together. This is Chad Law, reminding you of what Reagan once said We're all going to have to pitch in together. But if we refuse, if we go back to the old pattern of business as usual, then, let there be no mistake, business as usual will eventually destroy our prosperity and all the blessings that has given us. God bless you, president Reagan, and may God save America.

Speaker 2: 1:20:45

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